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such lodge and I want to open up the building and I want to have commercial activities, would you allow me in an RM -2,500 zone without verifying what I'm telling you? Harryman: That's a difficult question to answer and it's just being raised now. My understanding is the Masons have been the Masons acting as a lodge and maybe hopefully someone's here from the Masons that can talk more to what they're doing there. I can't say whether in 1977 we checked if they submitted their paperwork to the State or not. I think at some point we might be concerned, but my understanding is, and again, I'm hoping the Masons are here, is that they have been acting as Masons whether they have their paperwork, tax returns properly filed and all that, I can't speak to that. That's not necessarily our focus but I suppose that after a certain amount of time if they were just venturing into commercial and they said they weren't who they said they were and it had changed then maybe at some point in time we may look at that. Commissioner Balch: Could I jump on that? So if you get an entitlement to operate a commercial business at a location and then you decide that you're going to change your business operations to something else and not that type of use, your entitlement doesn't go with you, and theoretically the process to ask is that you would come back to the Planning Commission to get an additional entitlement for that area or that location for what your operations are, correct? Harryman: Generally speaking I would say yes. One thing we talked about is that I don't know why the language in the code says "non- commercial lodge, religious facilities ". I don't know why they're non - commercial. I don't know what kind of a lodge other than lodging would be a commercial lodge, so I'm not sure why. One thing we talked about is cleaning that up in the ominous bill is to remove the commercial part because if you read it in context, it's that type of lodge and religious institutions; I don't think we use religious institutions there, but churches, etc., so I don't know why that language is in there. Commissioner Balch: But the premise is that if you're operating a business and then you start to operate a church that has an assembly of people in the same location, that is not going to be an entitlement you're allowed. You've got to come back through the process. Harryman: Yes, and if tomorrow the Masons stopped using the facility altogether like the Scottish Rights folks did down in Los Angeles, then that would be a problem. If it was purely commercial and they weren't having Mason functions there as an accessory use or ancillary use, then yes, that would be a problem. Commissioner Nagler: And I don't mean to make too fine a point of this, but Julie, you apparently are saying that it is sort of defined by activity; that you know what you know when you see it as opposed to its defined by the license you hold, right? Harryman: I think that's a fair statement, yes, thinking about what the conditional uses are that are allowed in this RM multi - residential district, that these types of uses, which are based on activities, are okay, and religious institutions. The Masons are known for not just doing that, they do a little bit more. For example, daycares are quite common on church sites. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, June 22, 2016 Page 6 of 56