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(Ruggeri Jensen Azar), Project Civil Engineer; Rick Hopkins of Live Oak Associates, <br />Project Biologist; Angela Ramirez - Holmes, Project Outreach Consultant; and Christian <br />Cebrian of Cox, Castle & Nicholson, Project Attorney. <br />Chair Allen then informed the audience of the procedure for the speakers. She then <br />reminded the audience that this could be a contentious topic and requested that everybody <br />be respectful, raising hands to support someone's position, no "boo's" or clapping and <br />things such as that, to help move the hearing along and to make sure everyone's opinion is <br />respected. <br />John Spotorno stated that his family, being the next -door neighbor, is obviously intimately <br />involved with this project, noting that the ranch was originally owned by the Spotorno's way <br />back to the beginning of the last century; the buildings referred to as from the Lund family <br />were actually from Spotorno relatives way back when. He indicated that he hoped that <br />through the planning process, the project could somehow retain the wonderful character <br />and uniqueness of the area that exists there and that maybe some of the trees could be <br />saved and integrated into the existing plan. He added that the line that was laid out on <br />Figure 1 on page 4 of the staff report is inaccurate; it actually comes way across the creek <br />onto the Spotorno property. <br />Mr. Spotorno stated that one of their big concerns that they hope to work on with the Lund <br />Ranch II developers is that they share approximately 3,690 feet of fencing. He indicated <br />that the fence was built in a very awkward location down a very steep side slope and is <br />very difficult to maintain. He stated that his hope is that they can come to an agreement on <br />the fence so they can continue peaceful enjoyment of ranching operations with this new <br />neighborhood next to them. He noted that they have had minimal problems with their <br />Callippe neighbors to the south, other than a few golf balls. <br />Allen Roberts stated that he has addressed issues on Measure PP many times in this <br />Chamber and will talk about three things: slope, identifying ridges, and man -made slopes. <br />With respect to slope, Mr. Roberts stated that there had been some progress in the <br />measurement technique for slopes, but he still has a problem with staffs recommendation <br />requiring staff interpretation every time because even small deviations in the slope are <br />subject to review to determine if they really constitute something that should be excluded or <br />not. He noted that for the past several years, he has argued that a little bit coarser <br />measurement technique should be used so staff does not have to make a determination <br />each time. He indicated that the Lund Ranch project in particular is one that highlights that <br />problem. <br />Regarding man -made slopes, Mr. Roberts stated that there is an area on this property at <br />the upper end that is described as the bowl that has a road that has been cut through it. <br />He indicated that the road goes for several hundred feel and is about 10 feet wide and <br />maybe 30 -40 feet wide at its widest point. He pointed out that someone somehow has <br />made the determination to take several acres in this area and exclude it from Measure PP <br />because of that one small structure and one small grade. He stated that these <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, February 25, 2015 Page 22 of 46 <br />