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Mr. Dolan stated that they did have a fair amount of internal discussion about the size of <br />the plaza, and one of the things to remember about Tully's is that there are quite a few <br />more tenants in that bigger building, so there is more retail space that is conducive to <br />buying something and bringing it outside. He added that one of the spaces in the <br />proposed building is designed as a sit -down restaurant, where the customers would not <br />necessarily go outside to eat, as they would with a Tully's coffee and muffin or a burrito <br />or fancy ice cream. He noted that it is unknown at this time exactly who the users will <br />be and so they did not get into requiring any furniture in that space. He added, <br />however, that staff is certainly open to the idea. <br />Mr. Ward stated that when they first looked at this space, part of it obviously was that <br />there would be dining maybe in both the lower floor and the plaza. He indicated that <br />one of the concerns was that they wanted people to be able to sit by the graphic on the <br />interior of the structure, along the "L "- shaped planter on the corner, and along the brick <br />planter on the far side to the left. He noted that the trellis clearly was to get some shade <br />in the corner. He added that they did not want to take up all the space in the plaza with <br />necessarily chairs and tables, especially if they were like those light aluminum chairs <br />that can move all over the place. He stated that from their perspective, they just saw <br />this as a gathering space that may be a little more informal, clearly a place where <br />people can sit. He added that if they have furniture that could stay in one spot, they <br />might have more activity out there with people being able to sit. <br />Mr. Sherwood stated that Mr. Dolan wanted a bigger plaza, but if the plaza were twice <br />its size, it would look like a giant plaza with a really small building. He indicated that he <br />thinks the proportions make a lot of sense. <br />Commissioner Ritter stated that he loves the concept, and buying the building next door <br />would be awesome because that could be part of the plaza. He asked the applicant, in <br />that respect, if he would consider designing the west side of the building and the east on <br />the Main Street side in such a way that should the next -door property open up, the <br />building could wrap around the side of the other building and integrate it into the <br />structure. <br />Commissioner Ritter stated that the other thing he wanted to point out is that the Main <br />Street side is not really the building's primary side; it is the Rose Avenue side. He <br />suggested that the Main Street side include a little more such as a picture of the theater <br />or some representation of what it used to be since that has always been the main side. <br />He added that it would be a nice thing to see coming into town down Main Street. <br />Mr. Sherwood stated that they did talk about it a little bit more and thought there might <br />have been some interest. He indicated that Mr. Mike Carey reached out to the property <br />owner, but nothing really happened. He noted that from that point in time, they did <br />spend a lot on architectural costs and other related costs. He noted that the property is <br />narrow and deep, and they had some rough ideas for that type of space to kind of <br />create a little corner piece. <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, May 28, 2014 Page 5 of 16 <br />