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the Noise Ordinance and the Municipal Code, but she is interested in seeing what the <br />decibels are for something like that, especially since the proposal is to start at 7:00 a.m. <br />and to go until 10:00 p.m. She noted the concern with the 7:00 a.m. start time, but she <br />is concerned with the 10:00 p.m., given that this is a neighborhood full of children. <br />Chair Pearce concluded that she understood the desire to upgrade this facility, and she <br />would love to see if there is a way to do that while taking into account the neighborhood <br />concerns. <br />3. Would it be acceptable to provide a total of 17 on -site parking spaces where <br />a total of 18 on -site parking spaces would be required based on PMC? <br />Chair Pearce noted that Discussion Point No. 3 does not need to be considered. <br />Discussion Points No. 4 and No. 5 were considered together. <br />4. Are the proposed site plan, circulation, and parking layout acceptable? <br />5. Is the proposed building design acceptable? <br />Commissioner Allen stated that she thinks traffic is challenging here not matter how it is <br />dealt with, and she does not have any idea for improving circulation. She indicated that <br />the parking layout seemed fine to her. She noted that the biggest question she has in <br />relation to the carwash is whether it is better to place it at the front of the building close <br />to the residents who are right across West Las Positas Blvd., or in the back. She stated <br />that she does not know about carwashes, what the design is and where the interior <br />cleaning is placed, where the money is put in and cleaning the inside of the car. She <br />added that what she is really looking for when this comes back to the Commission is <br />some real expert design guidance specific to carwashes and noise and how to <br />maximize it while minimizing the noise. She noted that in reading through and googling <br />about carwashes and the issues that come up in communities, it sounds like there are <br />certain types of blowers that are much better than others in terms of noise and that <br />some carwashes actually had to get insulated and have wood barriers around them. <br />Regarding the building design, Commissioner Allen noted that one of the letters <br />received by staff mentioned that the building design did not really fit the character of that <br />shopping center. She stated that when she looks at that shopping center, she comes <br />away with the question of whether it does have a character. She indicated that it is hard <br />to nail, but she thinks that to the degree that there is a character, the orange and the <br />higher building height in one area did not seem to fit there; however, she does not know <br />if there is a way to make it better. She added that she would like the building design to <br />be looked at a little more to see if it could complement the shopping center a little more. <br />Commissioner Posson stated that he is generally fine with the site plan. Regarding <br />circulation, he indicated that he frankly does not know how much can be done with that <br />intersection. He noted that he understands what the residents were saying about the <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 25, 2013 Page 15 of 45 <br />