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Ms. Harryman stated that before she responds to Mr. Kimber's concern that the <br />Planning Commission violated the Brown Act, and for the sake of the public who do not <br />come to every meeting here, it is not uncommon for the Planning Commission, when it <br />feels that a vote is going to be a denial, to ask applicants whether they want to go back <br />and work on their proposal or whether they want the Commission to vote that night. <br />She continued that it just so happened that, in this case, the Commission took a break, <br />and then the same thing happened. She then read from the December 12, 2012 <br />Meeting Minutes, which are just about verbatim: "Acting Chair Blank stated that there <br />was some discussion between the applicant and staff during the break and informed the <br />applicant that there are two options he would like the applicant to consider: (1) proceed <br />with the Commission vote, or (2) request a continuance to a later date to give the <br />applicant the opportunity to receive public input and make whatever changes that may <br />or may not result from that input to the plan." <br />Ms. Harryman stated that she was present for that meeting, and what happened was <br />staff talked with the applicant and essentially said: "You can see where this looks like it <br />is going. Do you want to go work with the neighbors more? Do you want to take <br />another look at your application ?" And the applicant said "Yes, we do." Staff then told <br />Chair Blank: "I believe the applicant wants to at least consider whether to bring it back <br />or to have a vote." And Chair Blank came back on the record and asked the applicant <br />the question. She reiterated that is not uncommon. <br />Ms. Harryman explained that a Brown Act violation is not when a staff member and the <br />applicant or members of the public speak; a Brown Act violation occurs when a quorum, <br />which is three or more voting members speak behind closed doors. She stated that in <br />this case, if three of the Commissioners were caucusing on what to do or how they were <br />going to vote or about the project generally, that would have been a Brown Act violation. <br />Chair Blank thanked Ms. Harryman for her explanation. He indicated that, for the <br />record, it was Mr. Dolan who informed him that the applicant wanted him to ask that <br />question, which he did. <br />Commissioner Olson agreed with the comments that the current facility and state of that <br />site is essentially unacceptable. He stated that he sees this project as an improvement <br />and added that what is before the Commission tonight is an improvement relative to <br />what it was looking at on December 12, 2012. He indicated that he was going to <br />support staff's recommendation. <br />Commissioner Pearce agreed with Commissioner Olson. She stated that she hoped <br />that some of the neighborhood concerns had been addressed with the additional <br />conditions that she is going to propose that the Commission put in a motion. She <br />indicated that she thinks this is an improvement and is pleased that no variances were <br />requested. She added that she is also pleased with the downsizing of the facility's size <br />and the alcohol prohibition, as well as the improved circulation on the site. <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 27, 2013 Page 18 of 48 <br />