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Commissioner Olson stated that his interpretation is if the slope was man -made 25 or 30 years ago and has at this point found its natural resting point, and if it's 25 percent or greater, it needs to be left alone. Commissioner Blank stated that he likes that interpretation and questioned what would happen if the slope was done three weeks ago and it is 25 percent. Commissioner Olson stated that he does not want to lose sight of an issue and pointed out that it was obvious to him tonight that there is a big traffic problem here regardless of whether this project goes through or not. He noted that there are some things that need to be done straight away to address the traffic problem on Junipero Street and other streets in the area. He indicated that he feels strongly that additional access to the project should be developed, and he thinks it is acceptable to create those additional access to this project even if it involves building a road on a slope that is 25 percent or greater. He added that if the project is left the way it is, the existing traffic problem would be exacerbated. Commissioner Pearce stated that she thinks the intent of Measure PP is not natural slope versus man -made slope but rather, issues of visibility and creating structures on any slope. Commissioner Blank stated that he likes Commissioner Olson's view that if something has been there for 25 years and has become part of the landscape and if it is more than 25- percent, leave it alone; however, he does not know how to handle something that was put there three weeks ago and by somebody who should have done it in the first place and it's more than 25 percent. Commissioner Pearce agreed. Mr. Dolan stated that he thinks where the Commission might benefit from a little bit more information about how this occurs is that most of this development is proposed in a valley. He explained that it is kind of like a bowl, and in this one particular area, there is a finger that is a little bit above the valley floor that projects out into it. He continued that at one point, they needed to cross that finger so they just plowed right through it and there was a road, and the sides of that road, just like a freeway that has been cut through, are man -made and are very steep; and then at the toe of that finger, they needed enough room between this finger and the creek to put in a barn, and they wanted the ground to be flat so they scraped off the end of the toe and it also became very sharp. He noted that if the Commission is going to interpret it the way it is heading, it will end up with this bowl in the bottom that cannot be seen from anywhere except from internally, a land form that is not very prominent but is right in the middle so one would have to build around it. Commissioner Pearce stated that her concern is that the Commission is not just talking about this property but is also trying to talk about going forward with lots of properties. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 14, 2012 Page 29 of 35