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Commissioner O'Connor: Okay, so it's open. It says Plan 2; 20 -24 feet. Why do we have this 4 foot...? Lee: There's one part of the site that jogs 4 feet. Commissioner O'Connor: So we're talking about 20 -foot setbacks where 30 feet is the norm? I don't know if neighbors would be okay if we did a taller fence or if there's an option to give them more privacy and sound... Lee: You could look at trees in the backyard of those units to provide vertical screening for the residents behind them because a fence only goes up so high, but if you put the trees and different vegetation in, it has an opportunity to grow higher to provide the privacy for the existing residents, but still allow the 20 -foot setback. As part of the application coming in, we would provide a landscape plan, and identify what species of trees could grow in the backyard, and then maybe the size of a planter box we put in there. Commissioner O'Connor: This is a two -story structure so you can always look out your window and look at somebody else's backyard if they are a single -story home or even if they are a two -story. I was thinking more of sound attenuation. Usually landscaping does not do much for sound. A lot of people think it does but it really doesn't. Lee: If sound is the consideration, I think one option is the block wall. That helps out. Deutscher: We're not trying to create a Mona Lisa there, but certainly something that's pleasing to look at and gets the job done. That's fine. Commissioner O'Connor: And there's a benefit to the new owners of these units as well because they only have so many feet. They can't get away from the sound or anything else. Deutscher: And if you look at the aerial, you'll see the neighboring yards. Many of the neighboring yards have very, very mature, if not heritage, trees along there anyways, but we're absolutely willing to do some sort of sound wall if you will that is satisfactory to the City. Commissioner O'Connor: Yes, I think that would be better than trees or something. This isn't a very big backyard. If you put trees in there then your backyard is gone. Chair Ritter: Staff, is that enough for C? Weinstein: Yes, that's good, so we can explore two options. Commissioner Allen: I agree with your comments about the rear setback, and on the front setback, what did we do for the Peter's project with Mike Carey? What is the front setback? Weinstein: I think the Peters project was something like 25 feet, but the important thing to consider with that project is that there were garages in the front. We wanted that EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 23, 2016 Page 11 of 18