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made, no matter how important those agreements were. She asked Ms. Harryman if <br /> that was correct. <br /> Ms. Harryman replied that is correct. She explained that the City Council will be the <br /> ultimate decision-makers here on many issues, including whether a road is a structure, <br /> and if the City Council determines that a road is a structure, then that will override what <br /> the North Sycamore Specific Plan says with regard to it being able to go through to <br /> Sunset Creek Lane or out to Sycamore Creek Way. <br /> Commissioner Balch noted that there has been a lot of serious talk about this precedent <br /> of the PUDs and that while the CC&R's are primarily an agreement between the owners <br /> and the Homeowners Association, the PUD is not; it is a City document. He asked <br /> Ms. Harryman if those are trumped as well. <br /> Ms. Harryman said yes. She explained that a PUD is a form of ordinance, and an <br /> Initiative would trump anything that's specifically conflicted with the Initiative. <br /> Commissioner Nagler noted, as has been stated several times, that a lot of the <br /> challenge is that that which was enacted trumping all others was unclear and unspecific, <br /> which allows it to be interpreted by subsequent ordinance or Council action. He asked <br /> Ms. Harryman if that was correct. <br /> Ms. Harryman said yes. She added that to that point, Michael Roush, former City <br /> Attorney who has since retired, did an impartial analysis at that time, in 2008, and he <br /> identified several terms in the Initiative that were not defined and would need to be <br /> interpreted, and "structures" was one of those; "roads" was another. She continued that <br /> today, a lot of people are very firm in their position one way or the other, but as the <br /> former City Attorney opined, this is open to interpretation, and the City Council will have <br /> to make that decision. <br /> Commissioner Nagler commented that, to that point, the current policy of the City <br /> Council that the answer to the question: "Is a road a structure?" is to be determined on <br /> a project-by-project basis, and, while from one perspective that could be the Council is <br /> not interpreting Measure PP, from another perspective, it could be that, in fact, the <br /> Council is interpreting Measuring PP to say that that particular question is to be applied <br /> on a case-by-case basis, and, therefore, there is not a global answer as to whether a <br /> road is a structure in the context of Measure PP. He asked Ms. Harryman if that was <br /> correct. <br /> Ms. Harryman said yes. She indicated that that was where the Council last left it, that <br /> the Council wanted to decide on a case-by-case basis. <br /> Commissioner Piper inquired if the exact number of homes proposed for this project at <br /> the time the Ventana Hills agreement was written was 150 or 196. <br /> Mr. Dolan replied that he believes it was 150 but that he would want to research that to <br /> confirm. <br /> Commissioner Balch commented that he believes the first plan was for 113. <br /> EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES, June 24, 2015 Page 30 of 45 <br />