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creek, which would require a fire truck-rated bridge, then come up a very significant slope which would also require a lot of grading and the removal of a lot of trees. She added that she is not certain if this is actually physically possible at any of those points. Steve Kirkpatrick, City Engineer, stated that, in addition to what Ms. Stern has mentioned, the roadway Mr. Win is referring to will require going about 1,000 feet up that driveway, then across that seasonal creek with a bridge that is rated for a fire truck, then construct a meandering road similar to the road proposed by staff. He added that in addition to this physical access, there would be the utilities, such as water and sewer, which will need to be brought all the way up in the same direction. He indicated that this could be done, but there are challenges to be met, both environmental and costs. Commissioner Pearce inquired if Ms. Harryman wanted to address other matters that had not been already addressed with regard to the letter from the Mr. Flashman. Ms. Harryman replied that she did not have anything specific to add, noting that Ms. Soo did cover the main points about Measure PP and about the blobs. She added that if the Commission had any specific questions or if any of the Commissioners needed clarification, she would like to talk about it. Mr. Dolan stated that the letter that says a lot of words, but it really has those two points: the proposal does not comply with Measure PP, and the houses are not exactly in the blobs. He explained that the Measure PP issue is pretty simple and is a little surprising because it is not a complex concept: if a project does not have ten or more lots, it is exempt; hence, Mr. Flashman's point is inaccurate. With respect to whether or not the homes are precisely within the blob in the Specific Plan, Mr. Dolan agreed that they are not. He indicated that staff believes there is some leeway and the blobs are conceptual. He noted that this issue has been addressed before and has gone all the way up to the City Council for its interpretation: the Council agreed with the interpretation that the blobs are not precise locations and can be adjusted to address certain situations. Commissioner O'Connor referred to the slide showing where a house was actually built as compared with the blob. He inquired if there are other homes that have already been built in that area. Ms. Stern replied that all the yellow dots on the map represent the actual position of the existing homes at that time, as opposed to the asterisks which represent the blobs. She noted that this is simply an illustration of the fact that there are limitations to the accuracies of the blobs. Commissioner O'Connor noted that he is trying to find how close the blobs are to the other homes. EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, February 12, 2014 Page 3 of 18